len(platform.uname()) has changed in Python 3.9

[tucked]

BPO	40570
Nosy	@malemburg, @jaraco, @tucked
PRs	bpo-40570: Count the processor property in len(platform.uname()) #20009 bpo-40570: Improve compatibility of uname_result with late-bound .platform #20015

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labels = ['type-bug', 'library', '3.9']
title = 'len(platform.uname()) has changed in Python 3.9'
updated_at = <Date 2020-05-13.07:47:25.587>
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[tucked]

518835f#diff-47c8e5750258a08a6dd9de3e9c3774acL741-R804

That diff changed len(platform.uname()) to 5 (from 6).

I noticed because we have some code that checks for 6 strs (arguably unnecessary),
but I can also think of contrived examples that would break (e.g. platform.uname()[-3]).
Interestingly, platform.uname()[5] still works.

Was this effect intentional?

[jaraco]

It was intentional to address bpo-35967, although it was meant to remain compatible.

Is len(uname()) an important behavior to retain? It feels like an implementation detail to me.

[jaraco]

If it is important to retain the len, it's probably also important to retain the [-N] accesses and possibly other behaviors of a length 6 tuple.

[jaraco]

Thanks David for the report and the draft PR (which helped me validate my thinking on the matter). In PR 20015, I've included additional tests. I've also re-written the compatibility functions to rely on the main __iter__ override.

Another situation that's likely to be incompatible is pickleability. Is that important?

I'm tempted to make deprecated the use of uname_result for anything other than attribute access (maybe with the ability to cast to a tuple, i.e. tuple(res)). The problem with namedtuples is that although they provide backward-compatibility for legacy behavior which returned tuples, they also bring that legacy as debt. By deprecating "access by index", that would constrain the interface to two basic usages: attribute access and iter() of all values.

[malemburg]

Hi Jason,

to achieve better backwards compatibility, it's probably better to use
the approach taken for CodeInfo in the codecs.py module:

class CodecInfo(tuple):
 """Codec details when looking up the codec registry"""

 def __new__(cls, encode, decode, streamreader=None, streamwriter=None,
 incrementalencoder=None, incrementaldecoder=None, name=None,
 *, _is_text_encoding=None):
 self = tuple.__new__(cls, (encode, decode, streamreader,
streamwriter))
 self.name = name
 self.encode = encode
 self.decode = decode
 self.incrementalencoder = incrementalencoder
 self.incrementaldecoder = incrementaldecoder
 self.streamwriter = streamwriter
 self.streamreader = streamreader
 if _is_text_encoding is not None:
 self._is_text_encoding = _is_text_encoding
 return self

 def __repr__(self):
 return "<%s.%s object for encoding %s at %#x>" % \
 (self.__class__.__module__, self.__class__.__qualname__,
 self.name, id(self))

This used to be a 4 entry tuple and was extended to hold additional
fields. To the outside, it still looks like a 4-tuple in all aspects,
but attribute access permits accessing the additional fields.

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[jaraco]

Thanks Marc-Andre for the suggestion, but I don't think that approach is viable here. The whole point of bpo-35967 was to defer the execution of the .processor behavior until it was requested. The intention is not to extend the tuple, but to shorten it (at least not to require the last element to be provided at construction time). Perhaps I'm missing something here, so feel free to provide a more concrete example of what you have in mind. Just be cautious not to violate the intention (

cpython/Lib/platform.py

Lines 784 to 787 in 77c6146

	A uname_result that's largely compatible with a
	simple namedtuple except that 'platform' is
	resolved late and cached to avoid calling "uname"
	except when needed.

).

I created bpo-40578 to track deprecation of uname for positional access.

[jaraco]

New changeset 2c3d508 by Jason R. Coombs in branch 'master':
bpo-40570: Improve compatibility of uname_result with late-bound .platform (bpo-20015)
2c3d508

[jaraco]

I've gone ahead and merged PR 20015 to fix the issue, but I'm happy to revisit if a better approach is proposed.